Author: Josh Wigler

September 14, 2016 8:10pm PT by Josh Wigler

Courtesy of USA

“He’s on his way toward something exciting,” the mystery actor tells THR about his character’s latest turn.

[Warning: This story contains spoilers through season two, episode eleven of Mr. Robot.]

“Where’s Tyrell?” Don’t take a drink every time Elliot Alderson (Rami Malek) asks a version of this question over the course of Mr. Robot season two; it’s a surefire way to lose consciousness. 

Indeed, Elliot’s uncertainty about the fate of hotshot E Corp executive Tyrell Wellick (Martin Wallström), the man the world believes organized the 5/9 Hack, has been at the core of the USA Network drama all season long. Did Elliot as Mr. Robot (Christian Slater) kill Tyrell to preserve fsociety’s secret? Or is Tyrell still alive, secretly working with Elliot’s father figure of an alter ego toward some unknown agenda? Recent episodes leaned in the direction of the second possibility, and the season’s penultimate installment seemingly confirmed it: Tyrell is back in the mix, on the cusp of realizing “Stage Two,” one of Elliot’s secret master plans — a secret even to Elliot.

But is Tyrell actually alive and well? As soon as the sharp-dressed man enters his taxi cab, Elliot openly questions Tyrell’s existence, asking the driver if he sees another man in the car besides Elliot. Whether he’s a figment of Elliot’s imagination or a flesh-and-blood mover-and-shaker living in the post 5/9 world, Tyrell is once again an active force in Elliot’s life and Mr. Robot at large… although there’s almost nothing Martin Wallström can say about it.

“It’s so tricky to talk about these things,” Wallström tells THR when asked about the new aura surrounding the returned Tyrell. “You never want to give anything away.”

With that in mind, Wallström keeps his lips sealed on what Tyrell has been up to and where he’s going next (except for one twist that’s Shumway out there), but happily discloses his philosophy toward spending the vast majority of season two on the sidelines, his conversations with creator Sam Esmail going into the season, and his take on Tyrell’s increasingly mythical quality.

What has this entire experience been like — essentially being locked in the trunk of a car, sometimes literally, and not being able to say anything about Tyrell?

I think it’s been kind of cool. I know people have been wondering. There have been questions and theories about the character. But I’ve been sort of enjoying being in the trunk, watching from the outside. What I like about the show is that it’s very brave in the sense that I always get surprised. The choice they made, keeping the character out of it and that mysterious sense, I think it’s been great to watch. Even though Tyrell isn’t always near or in the show, he’s always there, because everybody’s talking about him and wondering where he is. That’s kind of exciting. Sometimes, that’s even more exciting than being on!

It’s an interesting point, in that Tyrell’s time away from the show only further builds the mythology around him. Was there a different energy when you returned to Tyrell, coming back to the show after so long, after spending so much of the season as something of a boogeyman for Elliot?

Yeah. As you say, he’s this boogeyman, or an x-factor… that’s what I had seen him as, even in season one. That’s the way he interacts with Elliot. If you’re going to be practical about it, I shot most of this entire season at once. To me, as an experience, I didn’t experience that coming back, being here and being there. It’s more in seeing it now, the absence of him. I can see that when I see the series, but I couldn’t feel it when I shot the scenes.

How much did you end up shooting this season? Of course we saw Tyrell in some sequences here and there, but few and far between…

Well, it’s hard to compare. This season was block shot, instead of episode for episode. So it was actually more intense for me, this season, than last year. It was just more compressed. 

What were your conversations with Sam Esmail like as you two discussed Tyrell’s story in season two? 

We have conversations about character and what’s coming. I kind of knew the overall arc, but what I feel is so great is that even when we shot season one, sometimes we wouldn’t know what was going to happen in the next episode. You have to play the scenes anyway, not knowing what’s coming. I think that’s the beauty of this show. You just lean back and enjoy the ride, and trust that whatever’s going to happen is going to happen. Not knowing too much in advance, sometimes, is a blessing. At least it is for me. It makes me very relaxed, feeling that I’m a part of this, and let’s just go for this ride.

So much involved with Tyrell remains enigmatic, but to speak about it broadly, what was your reaction when you learned where his story was heading? Were you surprised?

To be honest, I’m always surprised, and never surprised. These writers are so good. They’re very, very good. You just trust in what they’re doing. I always expect to be surprised.

At the end of season one, Tyrell was still reeling from having killed Sharon Knowles, dangling from a proverbial edge, without knowing which way he was going to drop. Now that he’s back, Tyrell seems to have a cause that he’s invested in. How different is he from when we last saw him?

It’s so tricky to talk about these things! You never want to give away anything. How should I put this… he’s as unreliable as always. (Laughs.) I think the beauty of him is that you’re never quite sure on where you have him. Even if you think he’s telling the truth, maybe he’s not. But it’s so hard to talk about before you know more. He’s on his way to something exciting, if I want to give a boring answer. (Laughs.)

What do you remember about shooting the scene in the cab, as Elliot begins to openly question Tyrell’s existence?

That was actually something we shot on the last day of the season. We were in Greenpoint, and it was four or five in the morning. I did most of my work with Rami this season, and it was such a pleasure. He’s this very gifted actor, and very generous in the sense that he makes everyone else better. Being in the cab with him and doing that scene was joyful.

Duality is such an important theme throughout the show, whether it’s Whiterose pitted opposite Phillip Price, Elliot against Mr. Robot, or Elliot against Tyrell. How do you view the dynamic between your character and Elliot, after two seasons of fleshing these characters out?

I remember me, Rami and Sam had one of our first rehearsals before the scene in episode two of season one, when Tyrell has this big speech where he’s trying to involve Elliot in Evil Corp. That kind of set the tone for how we wanted to play this out and portray this. It’s this love story — an unanswered love, which I think is very interesting. There’s a lot to discover there, I think.

The episode closes with Tyrell repeating the final line of Casablanca: “Louie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.” How did you interpret that moment… just Tyrell and the show having a laugh, or something deeper?

You’re right; there’s the show, and he’s getting a laugh, and it’s also something deeper. I think it’s an homage to that movie. There are a lot of layers in it. 

Another great line from Tyrell: “I know you’re under a lot of stress. I’m under a lot of stress, too. Can you even begin to imagine what it’s been like for me?” It feels like you can relate.

Yeah. (Laughs.) I remember shooting that downtown in New York, and there were so many people standing on the other side of the sidewalk watching us. It’s supposed to be this very intimate moment. It was great fun.

Digging back earlier into the season, how was your experience shooting the sitcom vision? Carly Chaikin said it was a difficult shoot, so one can only imagine how hard it was on the man locked in the trunk.

I remember reading the script. When I got the script, I thought it was genius. When I saw it, I thought it played out very well. But meeting ALF? To me, that was the best. Sometimes you get starstruck, but I’ve never been as starstruck as when I saw ALF. To me, that was a direct relationship back to 1990 or 1991, when that show was on TV back in Sweden, when I was seven years old. It’s like it drew a line for me, from seven to 33. Meeting ALF, that was the moment of the season for me.

Is that the secret behind Tyrell? Has he been covertly working with ALF toward destroying the world?

I can’t say so… but yes.

Follow THR‘s Mr. Robot coverage all season long for interviews, news and theories.

Mr. Robot

September 14, 2016 8:10pm PT by Josh Wigler

Courtesy of USA

“He’s on his way toward something exciting,” the mystery actor tells THR about his character’s latest turn.

[Warning: This story contains spoilers through season two, episode eleven of Mr. Robot.]

“Where’s Tyrell?” Don’t take a drink every time Elliot Alderson (Rami Malek) asks a version of this question over the course of Mr. Robot season two; it’s a surefire way to lose consciousness. 

Indeed, Elliot’s uncertainty about the fate of hotshot E Corp executive Tyrell Wellick (Martin Wallström), the man the world believes organized the 5/9 Hack, has been at the core of the USA Network drama all season long. Did Elliot as Mr. Robot (Christian Slater) kill Tyrell to preserve fsociety’s secret? Or is Tyrell still alive, secretly working with Elliot’s father figure of an alter ego toward some unknown agenda? Recent episodes leaned in the direction of the second possibility, and the season’s penultimate installment seemingly confirmed it: Tyrell is back in the mix, on the cusp of realizing “Stage Two,” one of Elliot’s secret master plans — a secret even to Elliot.

But is Tyrell actually alive and well? As soon as the sharp-dressed man enters his taxi cab, Elliot openly questions Tyrell’s existence, asking the driver if he sees another man in the car besides Elliot. Whether he’s a figment of Elliot’s imagination or a flesh-and-blood mover-and-shaker living in the post 5/9 world, Tyrell is once again an active force in Elliot’s life and Mr. Robot at large… although there’s almost nothing Martin Wallström can say about it.

“It’s so tricky to talk about these things,” Wallström tells THR when asked about the new aura surrounding the returned Tyrell. “You never want to give anything away.”

With that in mind, Wallström keeps his lips sealed on what Tyrell has been up to and where he’s going next (except for one twist that’s Shumway out there), but happily discloses his philosophy toward spending the vast majority of season two on the sidelines, his conversations with creator Sam Esmail going into the season, and his take on Tyrell’s increasingly mythical quality.

What has this entire experience been like — essentially being locked in the trunk of a car, sometimes literally, and not being able to say anything about Tyrell?

I think it’s been kind of cool. I know people have been wondering. There have been questions and theories about the character. But I’ve been sort of enjoying being in the trunk, watching from the outside. What I like about the show is that it’s very brave in the sense that I always get surprised. The choice they made, keeping the character out of it and that mysterious sense, I think it’s been great to watch. Even though Tyrell isn’t always near or in the show, he’s always there, because everybody’s talking about him and wondering where he is. That’s kind of exciting. Sometimes, that’s even more exciting than being on!

It’s an interesting point, in that Tyrell’s time away from the show only further builds the mythology around him. Was there a different energy when you returned to Tyrell, coming back to the show after so long, after spending so much of the season as something of a boogeyman for Elliot?

Yeah. As you say, he’s this boogeyman, or an x-factor… that’s what I had seen him as, even in season one. That’s the way he interacts with Elliot. If you’re going to be practical about it, I shot most of this entire season at once. To me, as an experience, I didn’t experience that coming back, being here and being there. It’s more in seeing it now, the absence of him. I can see that when I see the series, but I couldn’t feel it when I shot the scenes.

How much did you end up shooting this season? Of course we saw Tyrell in some sequences here and there, but few and far between…

Well, it’s hard to compare. This season was block shot, instead of episode for episode. So it was actually more intense for me, this season, than last year. It was just more compressed. 

What were your conversations with Sam Esmail like as you two discussed Tyrell’s story in season two? 

We have conversations about character and what’s coming. I kind of knew the overall arc, but what I feel is so great is that even when we shot season one, sometimes we wouldn’t know what was going to happen in the next episode. You have to play the scenes anyway, not knowing what’s coming. I think that’s the beauty of this show. You just lean back and enjoy the ride, and trust that whatever’s going to happen is going to happen. Not knowing too much in advance, sometimes, is a blessing. At least it is for me. It makes me very relaxed, feeling that I’m a part of this, and let’s just go for this ride.

So much involved with Tyrell remains enigmatic, but to speak about it broadly, what was your reaction when you learned where his story was heading? Were you surprised?

To be honest, I’m always surprised, and never surprised. These writers are so good. They’re very, very good. You just trust in what they’re doing. I always expect to be surprised.

At the end of season one, Tyrell was still reeling from having killed Sharon Knowles, dangling from a proverbial edge, without knowing which way he was going to drop. Now that he’s back, Tyrell seems to have a cause that he’s invested in. How different is he from when we last saw him?

It’s so tricky to talk about these things! You never want to give away anything. How should I put this… he’s as unreliable as always. (Laughs.) I think the beauty of him is that you’re never quite sure on where you have him. Even if you think he’s telling the truth, maybe he’s not. But it’s so hard to talk about before you know more. He’s on his way to something exciting, if I want to give a boring answer. (Laughs.)

What do you remember about shooting the scene in the cab, as Elliot begins to openly question Tyrell’s existence?

That was actually something we shot on the last day of the season. We were in Greenpoint, and it was four or five in the morning. I did most of my work with Rami this season, and it was such a pleasure. He’s this very gifted actor, and very generous in the sense that he makes everyone else better. Being in the cab with him and doing that scene was joyful.

Duality is such an important theme throughout the show, whether it’s Whiterose pitted opposite Phillip Price, Elliot against Mr. Robot, or Elliot against Tyrell. How do you view the dynamic between your character and Elliot, after two seasons of fleshing these characters out?

I remember me, Rami and Sam had one of our first rehearsals before the scene in episode two of season one, when Tyrell has this big speech where he’s trying to involve Elliot in Evil Corp. That kind of set the tone for how we wanted to play this out and portray this. It’s this love story — an unanswered love, which I think is very interesting. There’s a lot to discover there, I think.

The episode closes with Tyrell repeating the final line of Casablanca: “Louie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.” How did you interpret that moment… just Tyrell and the show having a laugh, or something deeper?

You’re right; there’s the show, and he’s getting a laugh, and it’s also something deeper. I think it’s an homage to that movie. There are a lot of layers in it. 

Another great line from Tyrell: “I know you’re under a lot of stress. I’m under a lot of stress, too. Can you even begin to imagine what it’s been like for me?” It feels like you can relate.

Yeah. (Laughs.) I remember shooting that downtown in New York, and there were so many people standing on the other side of the sidewalk watching us. It’s supposed to be this very intimate moment. It was great fun.

Digging back earlier into the season, how was your experience shooting the sitcom vision? Carly Chaikin said it was a difficult shoot, so one can only imagine how hard it was on the man locked in the trunk.

I remember reading the script. When I got the script, I thought it was genius. When I saw it, I thought it played out very well. But meeting ALF? To me, that was the best. Sometimes you get starstruck, but I’ve never been as starstruck as when I saw ALF. To me, that was a direct relationship back to 1990 or 1991, when that show was on TV back in Sweden, when I was seven years old. It’s like it drew a line for me, from seven to 33. Meeting ALF, that was the moment of the season for me.

Is that the secret behind Tyrell? Has he been covertly working with ALF toward destroying the world?

I can’t say so… but yes.

Follow THR‘s Mr. Robot coverage all season long for interviews, news and theories.

Mr. Robot

September 14, 2016 8:45am PT by Josh Wigler

Nadav Kander/USA Network

“I don’t think she gives a shit if people are doubting her, or if she’s not going in the right direction. She’s just not going to give up,” the actress tells THR about playing federal agent Dom DiPierro.

Everything goes south in the blink of an eye — or at least in the blink of a pedestrian crossing signal. 

Dominique “Dom” DiPierro, the tenacious federal agent at the heart of Mr. Robot‘s second season, has tracked two persons of interest to a West Village restaurant. She radios for backup, breathes deep, crosses the street, and enters the restaurant, immediately engaging in a tense conversation that viewers are not allowed to hear. Seconds later, two men on a motorcycle roll by. One of them hops off, crosses the street, and — just as the crossing signal counts down to zero — unloads an automatic weapon on the restaurant’s inhabitants. Gunfire is exchanged. Dom tags the shooter. The cops arrive. The shooter shoots himself rather than be taken alive. Dom bursts through the restaurant doors, flashes her badge, surveys the damage, and breathes, blood and panic all over her face. 

“That was a very hard scene to shoot, because it was a oner,” Grace Gummer, the actress who plays DiPierro, tells THR about the 20th episode of the USA Network drama’s intense cliffhanger. “It was the middle of the night. We closed down Sixth Avenue and Spring Street. I did about 50-100 burpees before each take to get myself all revved up and sweaty, as if I had been running for a block. There was so much going on, with the timing of the cop cars and then the Dark Army pulling up and me running in and going outside with the blood splattered… so we really had to get it right. We did a lot of rehearsals, and that was the last one we did, just as the sun was coming up, and it was the best one.”

The harrowing scene, presented in one uninterrupted shot by Mr. Robot creator-writer-director Sam Esmail, stands out as one of the most haunting images of the show’s run, let alone its second season. It also summarizes DiPierro, the new kid on the block this season.

“My character, Dom, lives and breathes this job — just how Sam lives and breathes Mr. Robot,” says Gummer, describing the relentless way in which Agent DiPierro focuses on the task at hand and forges her way forward in the investigation into fsociety. 

Although she certainly represents an antagonistic force barreling toward Elliot Alderson (Rami Malek) and the hackers at the heart of the tale, Dom herself comes across as one of the show’s few “white hats,” purely motivated in her pursuit of the parties responsible for the show’s 5/9 Hack, an event that’s thrown the global economy into utter chaos. But looks can be deceiving, as someone like Elliot knows all too well — and perhaps Dom knows it, too.

“I still feel like I’m finding out who this person is,” says Gummer. “She has so many layers to her and so many secrets, that I don’t think she even faces herself. I think she puts her entire self into her work, sort of in fear of or distraction from discovering who she really is. She has no life, so she puts all of herself into this case.”

Not that viewers don’t know anything about Dom. Really, they know quite a lot: she’s a born and raised New Jersey native (Gummer says she watched The Real Housewives of New Jersey and conjured up memories of New Jersey classmates in preparing for the role), with very little time for beating around the bush, and all the time in the world for lollipops.

“That is a Sam thing,” Gummer laughs, talking about Dom’s snacking habits. “The turkey sandwiches, the eating, the oral fixations she has — that’s all Sam’s idea. But I do think those sort of eccentricities add to the specificity of who she is. It makes her so different from everyone on the show.”

Differences aside, Dom shares at least one common thread with virtually everyone on the show: her sense of loneliness. Few ideas are so central to the premise of Mr. Robot than the isolation that occurs in the modern digital era. Viewers witnessed Dom’s solitary existence firsthand at multiple points early in the season, through her insomnia and her bleak conversations with Alexa, one of Dom’s few friendly sounding boards — a sounding board that just so happens to be an Amazon app.

“When you think you know who someone is, you’re completely wrong,” Gummer says about Dom’s personal life. “You think she’s earnest, friendly, nice… and she is all of those things, but then she goes home, and she has no one to go home to. She listens to weird country music, puts on a bunch of makeup, falls asleep to reality TV, and masturbates to fall asleep. There’s this whole other side to people that we don’t know, that we think we know through social media and their online profile, but you don’t know this person.”

Indeed, Gummer teases that there’s even more about Dom’s personal life waiting to be revealed: “You’ll see more in the next couple of episodes that will reveal more about her, and marry her personal life with her work.”

For her part, Gummer felt she finally started understanding DiPierro during an early season two exchange with BD Wong, the veteran actor who plays Dark Army hacker Whiterose. The scene takes place in China, with DiPierro disclosing details about her past — why she became a federal agent, a decision rooted in romance gone wrong — in an unexpected moment of openness with Wong’s enigmatic character. She remembers: “That was the first scene where Sam and I first looked at each other and said, ‘Okay, this is what we’re working with. This is who she is.'”

The morning following her intimate 10 minutes with Whiterose, DiPierro is plunged into the thick of a firefight with Dark Army operatives (“Sam likes those action oners,” says Gummer), and in the ensuing weeks, she’s hot on the heels of Elliot’s colleagues, friends and family, bringing her right up to the moment where yet another masked gunman unloads his weapon on a group of individuals that may or may not include Dark Army hacker Cisco (Michael Drayer) and fsociety lieutenant Darlene (Carly Chaikin), Elliot’s sister. 

“She knows that someone got away,” Gummer teases about what’s coming next. “She knows that she maybe f—ed up. She doesn’t know what happened. I think she’s incredibly exhausted, like I was when I got home from finishing that scene.”

But exhaustion won’t stand between Dom DiPierro and the work that needs to be done, at least not for long.

“I don’t think she gives a shit if people are doubting her, or if she’s not going in the right direction. She’s just not going to give up,” says Gummer. “Maybe that’s why Sam made her a true Jersey girl. I definitely connect to her in that way, being a New Yorker. That fearlessness, that toughness that gets her up in the morning and helps her do her job very well. I think she thrives on that challenge. She uses that challenge as fuel for her to not give up and to keep going, in a Jodi Foster, Silence of the Lambs sort of the way. She’s the only one who truly believes in it, so she’s going to go for it.”

Follow THR‘s Mr. Robot coverage all season long for interviews, news and theories.

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